tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post6330679828180771974..comments2020-05-02T00:40:47.857-07:00Comments on Stuff I Think About: Forging Fan Film GuidelinesHubcap Davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07953841351071925119noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-5408798752084353782016-05-28T13:32:26.549-07:002016-05-28T13:32:26.549-07:00I can see your point. However, it's fairly obv...I can see your point. However, it's fairly obvious that this was coming out one way or another (and I'll have something to say about that later), as someone had given Axamonitor this information, along with the conversation that took place. Hubcap Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953841351071925119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-16597433858220718742016-05-27T21:36:20.491-07:002016-05-27T21:36:20.491-07:00I thought the blog post was well done. I like all...I thought the blog post was well done. I like all the recommendations... Its a start.batkinson001https://www.blogger.com/profile/01568406588999088858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-13224554649911311002016-05-27T21:31:34.215-07:002016-05-27T21:31:34.215-07:00I wood not let parmount stuido and CBS to take cre...I wood not let parmount stuido and CBS to take credit on some one other work and you get none of anything that you did. They just want to take everything that you did.<br />On this line 2. The enterprise is own by the u.s. navy. You would need to ask if you can use there name.<br />And in the insignia have no copyrights<br />The chevron is no copyrights to<br />As for the images have the same issue no copyrights.<br />Any Star Trek items don't have many copyrights.<br /><br />In line 3. They don't want you to get no money of any kind, and you will lose your money and time and work. <br /><br />I can keep going to this but my idea for you to go at a Star Trek convention to see what you will lose. <br />Don't go for this deal it is bad and it will hurt<br />Everyone who want to do a fan film.Star ship group 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09941103312477110316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-42508661764933579172016-05-27T15:53:12.733-07:002016-05-27T15:53:12.733-07:00I hear where your coming from Dennis, and I agree ...I hear where your coming from Dennis, and I agree with you about everything you've said - I myself am particularly nervous about guidelines 6 and 7 - If you look on axamonitor.com you'll see that this guideline proposal is not the first but the second draft really of what Axanar Productions came up with, and it really scares me a little that they held onto guidelines 6 and 7 - I don't think there should really be a time-limit at all on fan films or if there is at least make it an hour and 58 minutes or so or perhaps even 90 minutes MAYBE - As for #7, I don't think CBS needs to have anymore power over the fan films than they kind of already do - It's really not necessary or a good idea for anyone to have too much power - Seems like maybe the actual fans should write to Alec or someone and say, "Hey, wait a minute, maybe you guys should consider this instead..." - I don't know if the professionals would listen to a mere fan, but might be worth a shot to have our voice heard seeing as how these are made-for-FAN films and all, ya know? - I don't that's just how I feel about this whole thing...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409596201626546601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-79625138284024987092016-05-27T15:30:26.668-07:002016-05-27T15:30:26.668-07:00I think releasing these guidelines, half-baked as ...I think releasing these guidelines, half-baked as they are, does a great disservice to fan films as a whole. A much greater impact will be had from the basis of the CBS/Paramount v Axanar settlement, if there is one.Krypton Radiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00190125283461861072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-76490454209283931572016-05-27T12:24:36.534-07:002016-05-27T12:24:36.534-07:00Keep in mind that non-profit does not mean non-rev...Keep in mind that non-profit does not mean non-revenue generating. IRS does allow non-profit organizations to receive revenue surpluses which exceed annual operational costs which must be applied to the future expenses that meet the corporate mission of the non-profit. Both the NFL and the American Red Cross regularly generate healthy non-profit surpluses to their annual costs.<br /><br />In their annual costs are line items for salaries and benefits for direct employees of the non-profit as well as indirect costs for services from subcontractors and costs of benefit rewards to contributors.<br /><br />What can not be done is the sharing out of surpluses as direct income dividends to "equity stakeholders" or grant makers. A gift to a non-profit is irrevocable: A gift does not provide a right to share in any non-profit revenue since that does jeopardize the future mission of the non-profit by harming the creation of a sustaining surplus.<br /><br />What is required is a Star Trek Fan Production Foundation:<br /><br />The benefit to CBS and Paramount is a single point for non-profit revenue audit reports. This is important because as producers and production companies come and go, the released fan productions can be generating ongoing online advertising revenue for a very long time - as well as any fan IP branded product sales.<br /><br />An additional benefit to CBS and Paramount is a single point for coordinating fan release Windows with professional production releases to prevent marketing fratricide.<br /><br />The benefit to producers is a single Foundation underwriter funding source to cover ongoing administration, insurance, accounting, and legal costs for each active and inactive production company. This would not prevent crowd financing future productions to cover specific production costs, but would ensure a base level of funding in between fan financing campaigns.<br /><br />The benefit to the entertainment industry is an increase in venues to sustain the education of a new generation in the crafts and skills of motion picture production.<br /><br />An existing non-profit business model can be similar to how regional Shakespeare repertory theaters are sustained by grants from The Globe Theater Trust Foundation.<br /><br />But the ability to centralize non-profit revenue collection and accounting from distributors could give the Foundation the ability to negotiate limited release licenses as Fan Film Festival presentations through direct-to-theater satellite broadcasts and cable pay-per-view channels, as well as providing access to increasingly important international venues,<br /><br />The Foundation could even sustain Star Trek Fan Productions in other languages and countries and thereby meet the requirement of sustaining infinite diversity through education efforts in entertainment technologies and skills..<br /><br />Bob Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11722152297240720669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-16888992262246313802016-05-27T10:23:04.130-07:002016-05-27T10:23:04.130-07:00Respectfully, isn't #4 a giant loophole to pay...Respectfully, isn't #4 a giant loophole to pay anyone you want to give a title on your production? Also what is the point of the 50 minute time limit? How does that effect IP one way or the other?Brentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542404671893913702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-87597464228557346932016-05-27T07:07:27.318-07:002016-05-27T07:07:27.318-07:00Great blog post! I'm definitely in favor of gu...Great blog post! I'm definitely in favor of guidelines for Star Trek fan films. But speaking as a fan who likes to watch fan films and as a fan who would like to make fan films or other kinds of fan projects, I believe that if fan film producers have input into these guidelines they should strongly push for no restrictions on content. <br /><br />I'm referring to proposed guideline #6. What constitutes a "finished fan film"? Does this mean that no continuing storyline can be longer than 50 minutes? What about story arcs that carry over multiple episodes? I've heard critics refer to Breaking Bad as a "62-hour movie" because of the story arcs that its characters go thru. What about two-part episodes? Star Trek is known for a number of really excellent two-part episodes, would fan series be allowed to do things like that? What about creating 12 ten-minute webisodes with a continuing story arc and then releasing them all on one DVD?<br /><br />One of the advantages of a fan film not being a commercial enterprise (pardon the pun) is that, relieved of the burden to make a profit, a focus can be placed on the artistic vision of the collaborators in a way that no commercial venture can afford. If fan filmmakers are not going to be receiving any money for their efforts they should at least have unfettered artistic opportunities. <br /><br />I also have concerns about proposed guideline #7. The thing about fan films is that they are non-commercial and they should stay non-commercial. Otherwise they run the risk of creating situations like those the early comic-book artists went through where characters they created turned out to reap huge profits for corporations while the artists themselves never saw a dime. Imagine if characters created for fan productions found their way into commercial Star Trek movies or TV shows. If companies started profiting from the characters and situations created by fans wouldn't those fans feel entitled to some of that money, the same way that CBS/Paramount feels entitled to any profits made by fan films? <br /><br />These proposed guidelines are a good place to begin the conversation but they need to protect the fan artists as much as the corporations.Dennis Castellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00656018596476190624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-58059064405991273012016-05-27T06:12:22.556-07:002016-05-27T06:12:22.556-07:00I liked the content. Seemingly well put together. ...I liked the content. Seemingly well put together. <br /><br />I had thought while reading. Maybe James Cable has an agreement with CBS/Paramount and can't disclose it. But, if not then as this goes foward it seems his uniqueness fades too. Does not take away his relavance as the God father of it, just not unique anymore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14786301314575169065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-86441462689507770482016-05-27T05:46:14.994-07:002016-05-27T05:46:14.994-07:00I would like to hear a thoughtful response/rebutta...I would like to hear a thoughtful response/rebuttal from CBS et al, but it appears that isn't happening soon. To bad.servant74https://www.blogger.com/profile/08674637038286396048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-33620458446857961232016-05-27T04:30:00.212-07:002016-05-27T04:30:00.212-07:00Except for the time limit of 50 minutes because th...Except for the time limit of 50 minutes because the film's being created are usually an hour fifteen to hour and a half everything seems correct. Now if you make two fifty minute movies back to back to finish a storyline it could be the other way to make a film.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275098175306599579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-61010452667204935662016-05-27T04:27:16.891-07:002016-05-27T04:27:16.891-07:0050 minutes maximum sounds like the Axanar movie mu...50 minutes maximum sounds like the Axanar movie must be at least a two-parter.MKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001400703932297415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-79559136186531098652016-05-27T03:49:36.141-07:002016-05-27T03:49:36.141-07:00Interesting article. As many existing fan-films ar...Interesting article. As many existing fan-films are longer than an hour, perhaps it would make sense to limit the episode length to say 90 minutes or more. Do we even need a time limit?<br />AS to the New Voyages online presence. They recently changed their name back from Phase II to New Voyages, so maybe that has something to do with it? Their startrekphase2 Facebook page has indeed closed, but there is now another one at https://www.facebook.com/startreknewvoyages which is active. They also have an active website at www.startreknewvoyages.de as well, that seems to have everything that used to be on their website under construction. Maybe that is the answer.Nexus7userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13188377529127677791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-58873329127219200152016-05-27T03:04:20.525-07:002016-05-27T03:04:20.525-07:00Thank you for sharing these historic developments....Thank you for sharing these historic developments.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650988260356446457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797675003511114752.post-47240630869966763002016-05-27T02:32:19.555-07:002016-05-27T02:32:19.555-07:00Superb blog post. And it's great to see at lea...Superb blog post. And it's great to see at least some of the other fan film makers are being reasonable and adult about all of this.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07657178334542564315noreply@blogger.com